Star Lumber: Discovery’s Mary Chieffo Talks Klingon Mic Drops and Ponders L’Rell’s Future in the Time of Kirk – IGN


The actress offers up a submit-mort of this week’s Disco episode.

This week’s episode of Star Lumber: Discovery, “Point of Light,” seen the return of the Klingons, with Mary Chieffo’s L’Rell and Shazad Latif’s Tyler (previously Voq) sharpening their bat’leths as they faced off against lots of modern threats, both exterior and internal. (Learn our evaluate here!)

I spoke with Chieffo for a submit-mort on the episode and all of its Klingon intrigue and treachery, but we also looked to the type forward for L’Rell on Star Lumber. Could perchance well presumably also she unruffled be leader of the Excessive Council by the level Kirk is captaining the Endeavor? Learn on for our chat!

Fleshy spoilers prepare for the Star Lumber: Discovery episode “Point of Light.”


A Klingon Mic Plunge

As the episode draws to an destroy, L’Rell and Tyler accept a decision to separate and fallacious the loss of life of their slight one child in uncover to solidify L’Rell’s energy monstrous in the Empire. She makes a sizable speech to the Excessive Council the put she claims to admire killed Tyler after he murdered the kid, but now the Empire are her children — she is no longer “chancellor” to them. “It’s also possible to call me Mother!” L’Rell announces to the roars of her fellow Klingons.

“Focus on a Klingon mic fall, like minded?” laughs Chieffo, who adds that she thinks her persona can’t accept many more sacrifices at this level. “I used to be once admire, what more would you admire from me?”

In spite of all the pieces, the tragedy that comes at times admire here is in step with the classical issues that most frequently portray Klingon tales. However the depiction of what females in positions of energy must most frequently address also struck a chord with Chieffo.

“Sci-fi is our smartly-liked mythology, and undoubtedly the Klingon plots are for all time so Greek and Shakespearean,” says the actress. “And this episode namely … it’s the closing sacrifice, and to me, it’s the unheard of of what many females if truth be told feel they prefer to invent after they ascend to any kind of energy. Which is seize to literally carve off their vulnerability, to carve off the heads of the opposite folks they care in regards to essentially the most, in uncover to fabricate the admire that they want and they deserve in their pickle.”

Mary Chieffo sans Klingon accept-up

Mary Chieffo sans Klingon accept-up

Making L’Rell a “mother archetype,” says Chieffo, supposed a swap in not ravishing the Klingon’s internal most life but even in slight print admire the put of her cloth wardrobe.

“I admire all the pieces from the truthful swap to this more conservative [costuming],” she says. “One of my favorites is that shadowy outfit at the destroy when she makes the speech. But, [costume designer] Gersha [Phillips] and I positively talked loads, and we tried a number of diversified things, and that was once the put we landed, attributable to it felt [like] I couldn’t be the ultra-female, low-carve Chancellor. That you just couldn’t admire? Then, okay. We’ll invent the opposite female archetype, the mum. It’s the Madonna-whore advanced and all that kind of stuff. But I judge that’s ravishing if truth be told thrilling, and nice looking. … I hearken it to Queen Elizabeth the First, the Virgin Queen. That at an even level, she had to inform an even aspect of herself in uncover to accept the admire she deserved.”

She adds that L’Rell is a incorrect female persona, and that’s fully OK.

“I judge that’s marvelous,” says Chieffo. “You know, that’s what we must for all time view more of. Whereas she has a range of redeeming qualities and undoubtedly as a Klingon is mighty more collaborative than most Klingons are, that’s what females reach up against. They’ve made one mistake in their life, and that’s their defining attribute.”

Doing That Nerd Research

Chieffo is identified by Lumber followers for the massive learn she does; the actress is plump of nerdy knowledge about Klingon ancient previous and tradition. And that continues to portray her portrayal of L’Rell in Discovery Season 2.

“The Klingon Empire’s an limitless system for us to view at these politics that we’re seeing this present day,” she says. “And it’s stuff that we were already covering in the first season, in the type L’Rell considered herself, and clearly partly attributable to [of what] we seen in previous generations of the purpose out. … I used to be once searching at the episodes and doing my learn, and I used to be once having a glimpse at the female Klingons and the map [DS9’s] Grilka couldn’t be the pinnacle of her admire rental attributable to she was once a girl. And so, it was once ravishing riffing off of what was once already innately in the tradition, but taking it to that subsequent level. We took it as a lot as eleven with this episode. The kind Kol treated L’Rell., now Kol-Sha is, admire, even worse.”

And lest we neglect, there was once not lower than one other female Chancellor of the Klingon Excessive Council — Azetbur from Star Lumber VI. Chieffo undoubtedly hasn’t forgotten.

“I judge, undoubtedly, Undiscovered Country was once for all time a enormous inspiration for more or less the issues of Discovery in long-established,” she says. “Since it’s ravishing one of these noteworthy instance of Klingon-Federation relationships. After which clearly we accept to view the opposite — handiest at the destroy — we accept to view another female ascending to the Chancellorship.”


And whereas what has reach sooner than is massively essential to Chieffo, she also feels that Season 2 is allowing her to chart modern ground for L’Rell and the Klingons as successfully.

“But at this level, too, I will say there’s also this ingredient of if truth be told proudly owning who L’Rell has change into,” she continues. “And proudly owning what we chanced on on our admire, and the relationship she has with Tyler. There has not been a relationship admire that precisely in the Klingon world. You undoubtedly admire Dax and Worf, but that’s a total other ingredient. But I if truth be told wished to believe the arena that we had created, and more or less also dive into who’re [L’Rell’s mother’s house] the Mo’Kai to me. Allowing myself a slight more imaginary license this season for me was once if truth be told fun.”

Of Ex-Utero Births and Attend Tales

In spite of all the pieces, the demonstrate that L’Rell and Voq had a admire child was once a enormous shock for viewers this week, namely when one considers how tricky the timing of all of it is in the case of the events of Season 1. Chieffo was once bowled over too!

“That was once very thrilling,” she laughs. “Positively, again, hearkening motivate to the archetypal nature of all of it. Final year, I had very mighty taken a range of inspiration from [the classic Greek plays] Antigone and Medea. And I presumed, successfully, I guess Medea is unruffled one in every of my foremost sources of inspiration! … I judge it’s ravishing, again, this coarse instance of what a range of females if truth be told feel admire they prefer to tackle after they’ve a child, and they prefer to reach to the pickle of industrial. Or females that seize not to admire children in uncover to retain their speak in the pickle of industrial; that it’s a truly diversified relationship that a range of males admire in that regards.”

We learn that the gestation of the kid happened “ex-utero,” which explains hos L’Rell was once ready to accept on with her mission of subterfuge against the Discovery final season whereas also having a slight one in the motivate of the scenes. But this sci-fi conceit also gave Chieffo something modern and difficult to play with as an actress.

“The indisputable fact that she has not, up till this episode, considered the kid [and] also that she literally, it was once said ex-utero, that she took it out,” she says, “now we accept to glimpse that 2nd 1/2 of the first season the put she’s in penitentiary and [we realize], admire, she knows that she has a child. It ravishing places a total, attention-grabbing twist on all of it.”

So would that knowledge of the slight one admire changed her performance motivate when taking pictures Season 1?

“I judge it undoubtedly serves me if truth be told successfully that I didn’t know, attributable to I judge L’Rell is mighty stronger in that regard than I am,” she says. “I’d had been leaning system too mighty on the truth, admire, oh, my slight one is off [somewhere]. And as an different, I judge that’s one in every of the things I admire about L’Rell, and she even says that to Tyler in this episode. She says, invent you judge this ingredient you ravishing chanced on out is come what may perchance well well increased than the ache I’ve suffered all this time? She is extremely noteworthy in that regard, and she was once so dedicated to the cause, and it handiest augments the tragedy of her failure when she if truth be told realizes that Voq is lost, in not lower than the type that I judge she’d hoped he’d reach motivate. But I judge it undoubtedly if truth be told does accept her stronger, and I did what I may perchance well well, now, shining that data. How invent I interpret her from this level on? But in the destroy, I judge, it made me perceive who the persona was once. Because I will’t return and redo those scenes. So it’s admire, having a glimpse at the scenes [now] and being admire, alright, alright, L’Rell, you’re obliging badass. Neatly performed!”


L’Rell and Tyler

L’Rell’s Future

“Point of Light” ends with L’Rell seemingly steady in her leadership feature, but having lost the opposite folks most essential to her in the course of. So is her epic over? No longer so immediate.

“No subject whether or not they’re undoubtedly alive, L’Rell’s unruffled never gonna peek them again,” she says. “She has made the different that she is cutting them off from her life fully. Which is devastating.”

Chieffo can’t formally say whether or not L’Rell will return, but she does point out that there’s a video of her available in the market on Twitter that looks to acknowledge the question…

“I admire the coolest thing about being ready to tease that Demi Lovato video with me dancing,” she laughs. “I’m in an even outfit. That’s all I’ll say!”

And since Discovery takes pickle roughly a decade sooner than The Unusual Sequence which featured Captain Kirk, and since that point out never named who the Klingon Chancellor was once, it’s possible that L’Rell is unruffled working the purpose out at some level of that time duration. That said, Chieffo worries about L’Rell’s future.

“I invent if truth be told devour that there are a range of enormous female leaders which admire existed in ancient previous, who we don’t declare about,” she says “I admire talked about Hatshepsut, this Egyptian pharaoh. … She ended up being this female pharaoh, but she embodied a truly male truthful. But then, and it’s unruffled more or less a mystery as to who did this, but after she died, a range of her photos were destroyed. And tales admire that. I ravishing dwell for that kind of stuff. And undoubtedly final season, once I chanced on out I used to be once ascending to the Chancellorship, I’m admire, that’s so attention-grabbing, attributable to it doesn’t subject what, there’s the mystery of why is L’Rell never talked about in the prolonged whisk. And is that ravishing a final consequence of ancient previous erasing female leaders, or what? I’m very intrigued as a storyteller in that regard.”

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